"But he's the guy who's pushing himself up people's stairs to talk about, to sort of knock on doors. But I campaigned just like I played basketball, outworking everyone, pushing the hills, crawling the stairs, all just to have a conversation with everyday Iowans. Did not matter the party. But still, he was a couple points behind Sand in the polling, which I found interesting. What do you make of that? Is it just that Rob Sand has a pretty distinct brand in the state already? That is the main thing. I mean, I think that one thing that Democrats have liked about Sand, even before he got in the race, even when he was just thought of as a possible candidate for the governor's race is, here's a guy who has demonstrated an ability to run ahead of his party because of all the reasons we've talked about. He has the personal story that is a pretty simple and straightforward personal story of him wanting to get into the auditor job, to cut down on waste and fraud of the Republican legislature while he's in there, getting kind of sick of him poking around and passing a bill to kind of gimp the auditor's office and him saying, well, in that case, I'm gonna run for governor. And get a little more ability to do this kind of work that I wanna be doing for the people of Iowa. So that has been, I mean, it's a 30-second elevator pitch. People can understand it. They can get behind it. They have liked what they've seen in that respect."