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The Bulwark
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Jul 9, 04:01 PM
@markhertling.bsky.social tells @timmiller.bsky.social there's no good way out of the Iran conflict: "We talked a long time ago about the fact that the best we can get out of this is a draw — and I don't think that's even the case anymore."
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"I think one could conclude, because Iran is still using weapons to fire at ships, that they still have a capability. And they're standing by their end of what they wanted to talk about in the MOU and who controls the strait. This is a signal that we still control the strait. We are still going to threaten ships that have insurance policies, and they're not going to want to go through if we threaten them for fear of damage. Tim, the interesting thing is over the last two weeks, I don't see anything having changed. In military circles, is there any even pitch for what the plan is to get out of here? Are there any strategic options? What are people saying? What I know is that the president has asked for different courses of action for what to do next. I'm sure one of those courses of action is let's just leave. But that's not very viable. We kiddingly in the military say whenever you pitch courses of action, there's normally three. There's a mama bear, papa bear, and baby bear. And one of them isn't going to be acceptable to, in this case, the president. And I think they've probably pitched a variety of courses of action, of which none of which bring us out of this with any kind of a win. You and I talked a long time ago about the fact that the best we can get out of this is a draw. And I don't think that's even the case anymore."
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The Bulwark
@thebulwark.com
· Jul 8, 01:30 AM
@markhertling.bsky.social tells @timmiller.bsky.social there's no good way out of the Iran conflict: "We talked a long time ago about the fact that the best we can get out of this is a draw — and I don't think that's even the case anymore."
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<span class="text-xs font-bold text-slate-300">beihai.bsky.social</span>
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<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 02:29 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">Hertling is so damn good at this. he just tells it straight. i have a feeling Trump is going to allow this to drag out for the remainder of his Presidency, enough cease fires to get oil flowing and Iran to make a ton of money, then one side will launch rockets so negotiations can never really start</p>
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<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 01:32 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">(IRGC) previously issued a explicit doctrine stating that if the U.S. or Israel launch a campaign targeting Iran's domestic power grid or energy architecture,
Iran will retaliate by continuously targeting &amp; destroying the energy, oil, &amp; industrial infrastructure of U.S. allies throughout the Gulf.</p>
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<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@needmoreram.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 04:59 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">One thing is for sure, we will never get the truth from Trump about Iran.</p>
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<span class="text-xs font-bold text-slate-300">legaljustice.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@legaljustice.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 12:31 PM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">and trump says the iranian leadership are liars, cheats, and they harm their people....who does that sound like?</p>
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<span class="text-xs font-bold text-slate-300">Park Pennington</span>
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<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 11:27 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">I have a good way.
Remove Trump, Vance, and every other incompetent sycophant in this failed regime, and replace them with the actual best people for the job, and watch how quickly this resolves.</p>
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<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@delserv.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 01:34 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">If the US can’t easily crush Iran then our foreign policy experts should have some explaining to do, shouldn’t they?</p>
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<span class="text-xs font-bold text-slate-300">Zz🪐 Luctor et emergo</span>
<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@zeebest1.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 01:41 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">The foreign policy ‘experts’ have explaining to do for an unpopular illegal war, and supporting a genocide. You talk like Iran shouldn’t defend itself.
This is Netanyahu’s expansion war into Lebanon and it’s assaults on Iran have been endless. There’s no honor in inserting U.S. into an unethical war</p>
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<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@feelinfuzzy.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 02:24 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">Yet here we are! A war of drumpf’s choosing without a path to get out and aiding bibi’s agenda. We are no worse than Russia with our apparent leaders attacking other countries for no reason except for greed. Greed of land, minerals, increasing the national debt…</p>
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<span class="text-xs font-bold text-slate-300">beihai.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@beihai.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 02:31 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">I don&#39;t think Trump even cares to get out. he will let this drag out for the rest of his term and dump it on his successor claiming he won anyhow. periodic breakdowns of the MOU will just mean no real negotiations ever need to happen and Iran can keep selling their oil.</p>
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&lt;span class=&quot;text-[9px] text-slate-600&quot;&gt;· Jul 8, 02:35 AM&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p class=&quot;text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words&quot;&gt;You know, drumpf’s does like to dump his problems onto others. I don’t know if he wants out or not; but I hear what you are putting down and it would not surprise me cause he has already said this war is boring 🤑&lt;/p&gt;
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<span class="text-xs font-bold text-slate-300">The Bulwark</span>
<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@thebulwark.com</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 01:30 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">Watch the full conversation on today's episode of The Bulwark Podcast:</p>
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<span class="text-xs font-bold text-slate-300">Dave</span>
<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@davewilde.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 01:42 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">Piers is a twat</p>
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&lt;span class=&quot;text-[9px] text-slate-600&quot;&gt;· Jul 8, 10:51 AM&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p class=&quot;text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words&quot;&gt;Nothing to add, just wanted to second that option!&lt;/p&gt;
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<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 03:02 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">Piers Morgan was an obnoxious prig.</p>
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&lt;span class=&quot;text-[9px] text-slate-600&quot;&gt;· Jul 8, 03:16 AM&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p class=&quot;text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words&quot;&gt;He’s such a fucking tool&lt;/p&gt;
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<span class="text-[10px] text-slate-500">@mkinva.bsky.social</span>
<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 02:49 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">Piers Morgan is a waste. He really adds nothing of substance to any conversation. Desperately seeking a gotcha is not debate.</p>
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<span class="text-[9px] text-slate-600">· Jul 8, 01:55 AM</span>
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<p class="text-xs text-slate-350 leading-relaxed break-words">Why can't people be more dynamic in their understanding of life. Find the best path forward not the perfect path. You will be more successful in meeting your dreams of a more perfect Union.
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