"I would have been, this was early 30s. This was not, this was less than 10 years ago. I did my first public ghost hunt. Me and one of my friends did a public ghost hunt at the House of Wills in Cleveland, Ohio, on Halloween night. And it was so cool to have my first real organized real organized, well, real organized ghost hunt. And I ended up winning a contest for an EVP that I captured at that ghost hunt."