"In game dev, we lean on hard numbers, we lean on sales as our metric of success because it's easy to measure. But how do you measure the joy that players are getting from the game that you put out there? How do you measure the value of the community that forms around the game, no matter how big or small it is? Those things, they're very much real. And I think across all of my research and across all of these game developers that I looked at, while I was trying to understand indie game developers' survival, the developers who go the distance, they're the ones who, they all have this one thing in common. They genuinely love what they're doing. I'm not saying they don't work hard, they work very, very hard, but they don't work in a grind yourself into the ground kind of way. They find real meaning in what they're making. That's a kind of stamina that data doesn't capture very well, but I think it's the stamina that really matters and it's the stamina that drives their success."