"Do you know, go to Pakistan, go to Karachi, go hang out, go down the street as a woman in a miniskirt and see how that works out, go to some places in the world that are... Well, again, Joe, this is... You're quite right. This is... I mean, Pakistan is, I think, the... It's a wild place. ...example of a rogue state, basically. And I think their view of, as you say, women who dress in ways other than the ways of Sharia, i.e. totally covered. And again, it's all in various of the hadiths, which we quote in the rape gang report. They are considered to be meat, and this is something I've never understood. How do you square this circle of this sort of clannish, backward-looking culture which comes to a highly open, high-trust society, and then embeds itself within that society and undermines everything that we've achieved over a thousand years? And acknowledging that as somehow another racist, acknowledging that some cultures are superior as somehow another racist, but just by understanding human rights, understanding the rights of individuals to be free, to not be subjected to other people's archaic laws. And this is... Look, these... A lot of cultures in this world live as people lived thousands of years ago. No one in the United States wants to live as people lived thousands of years ago. No one. And this is not a racist thing. Like, you should be able to come over here and practice whatever religion you want. But if your religion has rules that violate the laws that we've all agreed are just and fair, then you're not integrating. And if you take over a whole town, and now that town is subject to these archaic laws, we've got a problem. And if you let that problem get bigger and bigger, they take over the country. And that's an actual possibility for certain countries. And we have to recognize that civilization is not as sturdy as we like to think it is. It's kind of flimsy in a lot of ways. A few bad things can happen, and things can go sideways quite quickly. Well, I think liberty is very fragile, isn't it? Ultimately, if you don't protect liberty, you lose..."