"Why don't you bin off the bin on Newsnight now? We know that your name is John and we know really a lot about you. Isn't this time for Serious Times to bin off the bin? Oh, here we go. You want to talk to Count Binface and then you get me on Newsnight and you start trying to deconstruct a character. I would say what are we doing here on a programme which used to construct proper investigative journalism and now is a souped podcast, Paddy."