"The only way that you really have a strong connection with another human being in any interaction is through vulnerability. That all of the skill, all of the perfection, all of the bravado, cool stuff that you can put out there, those are points through which you can connect, but you're not actually going to have the depth of that connection unless you let yourself risk something. And that's mutual. So it's really important for us, I think, to embrace that, to understand it both in our interactions with others, but also in how we interact with ourselves and to save room for that and to shift our mindsets away from the sort of machine-like perfectionism ideal and towards something that is more reflective of the actual human experience."